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		<title>By: Recluse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recluse</dc:creator>
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		<description>If the intent of having &quot;elected&quot; officials is to represent the populous, it seems a statistical tie means that the two candidates need to share the office.  (Grow up folks.  We can get along.  We must.)
Each, to argue issues for those they represent.   And possibly, alternate which of them is the final arbiter per established scheduling.
Public debate between them could also be an option for constituents to respond.
A recount, if appropriate, should still be available after the initial election.  If a difference is still below an established percentage, the vote is a tie.  And shared occupancy of the position is the result.

I disagree with the comment &quot;that the process is playing out in an reasonably fair way.&quot;  Months have been wasted in the clawing for straws.  Is the desired position so casual that the incumbent can spend months totally dedicated to staying in office?  Is it possible that some duties have been delayed or ignored that define the functions of the position?
Also, the contention between the opposing camps is nothing but exacerbated.  Reducing the likelihood for future compromise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the intent of having &#8220;elected&#8221; officials is to represent the populous, it seems a statistical tie means that the two candidates need to share the office.  (Grow up folks.  We can get along.  We must.)<br />
Each, to argue issues for those they represent.   And possibly, alternate which of them is the final arbiter per established scheduling.<br />
Public debate between them could also be an option for constituents to respond.<br />
A recount, if appropriate, should still be available after the initial election.  If a difference is still below an established percentage, the vote is a tie.  And shared occupancy of the position is the result.</p>
<p>I disagree with the comment &#8220;that the process is playing out in an reasonably fair way.&#8221;  Months have been wasted in the clawing for straws.  Is the desired position so casual that the incumbent can spend months totally dedicated to staying in office?  Is it possible that some duties have been delayed or ignored that define the functions of the position?<br />
Also, the contention between the opposing camps is nothing but exacerbated.  Reducing the likelihood for future compromise.</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, Lorem. I think they are important, especially since I am going to disagree. ;^)  My initial point was that voting is several important things at once: a measurement tool, a choosing process, and a dedication ritual. Losing sight of any of these risks trouble. When the measurement yields a tie in any meaningful sense of the term, the other aspects are still important. As others noted, the choosing process must _feel_ at least reasonably fair and legitimate to the population or else social cohesion frays and eventually breaks, destroying people&#039;s commitment to the system. Although there are (to my mind contrived) economic arguments for why people vote, despite the vanishingly small chance of their vote being decisive, there are simple, obvious, emotional reasons easily apparent to anyone who who has spent time at a polling booth. Voting is an emotionally powerful ceremony, where we show our belonging to and dedicate ourselves to the larger community of society. I suspect this taps into our instincts of social cohesion. I like to needle my economist colleagues by saying one of the reasons they are wrong so often is they want economics to be like physics, when actually it is more like applied primatology. I think the same often applies to quantitative political theories. I think your last point is the most important (forgive me if you were just being tongue in cheek): We _wish_ we could find social optima through some process like voting, but this is a very dangerous illusion. First, for most complex issues, such an optimum does not exist -the complicated, non-linear tangle of human preferences don&#039;t sum to a single point even within an individual, let alone a complex society. Further, people who are certain they know the optimum have historically done very bad things to other people in the name of achieving it. Rather, democratic processes (ideally) allow groups of people with incompatible preferences to find some _reasonable_  set of choices they can live with without coming to blows. I do not make a fetish of democracy. I imagine a time could come when some mix of sophisticated polling, sampling, focus groups, juries, blue-ribbon panels and maybe artificial intelligence could do a better job, but for now, I think, to paraphrase Churchill, democracy is the worst possible mechanism for _seeking_  (not finding) social optima, except for everything else we&#039;ve ever tried. To bring this all the way back around, I think in the Minnesota case, we should recognize that the measurement gave a tie, that the process is playing out in an reasonably fair way, and that at the end of it, the outcome should feel legitimate and give us some pride at being able to do this sort of thing peacefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, Lorem. I think they are important, especially since I am going to disagree. ;^)  My initial point was that voting is several important things at once: a measurement tool, a choosing process, and a dedication ritual. Losing sight of any of these risks trouble. When the measurement yields a tie in any meaningful sense of the term, the other aspects are still important. As others noted, the choosing process must _feel_ at least reasonably fair and legitimate to the population or else social cohesion frays and eventually breaks, destroying people&#8217;s commitment to the system. Although there are (to my mind contrived) economic arguments for why people vote, despite the vanishingly small chance of their vote being decisive, there are simple, obvious, emotional reasons easily apparent to anyone who who has spent time at a polling booth. Voting is an emotionally powerful ceremony, where we show our belonging to and dedicate ourselves to the larger community of society. I suspect this taps into our instincts of social cohesion. I like to needle my economist colleagues by saying one of the reasons they are wrong so often is they want economics to be like physics, when actually it is more like applied primatology. I think the same often applies to quantitative political theories. I think your last point is the most important (forgive me if you were just being tongue in cheek): We _wish_ we could find social optima through some process like voting, but this is a very dangerous illusion. First, for most complex issues, such an optimum does not exist -the complicated, non-linear tangle of human preferences don&#8217;t sum to a single point even within an individual, let alone a complex society. Further, people who are certain they know the optimum have historically done very bad things to other people in the name of achieving it. Rather, democratic processes (ideally) allow groups of people with incompatible preferences to find some _reasonable_  set of choices they can live with without coming to blows. I do not make a fetish of democracy. I imagine a time could come when some mix of sophisticated polling, sampling, focus groups, juries, blue-ribbon panels and maybe artificial intelligence could do a better job, but for now, I think, to paraphrase Churchill, democracy is the worst possible mechanism for _seeking_  (not finding) social optima, except for everything else we&#8217;ve ever tried. To bring this all the way back around, I think in the Minnesota case, we should recognize that the measurement gave a tie, that the process is playing out in an reasonably fair way, and that at the end of it, the outcome should feel legitimate and give us some pride at being able to do this sort of thing peacefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>robin, if we are indeed concerned with citizens&#039; (as you stated in your latest comment) and not voters&#039; preferences, I would argue that that opens yet another can of worms. For example, I would consider myself to be highly pragmatic, so, even if I lived in Minnesota (and if I were a US citizen), I would personally not vote at all. You see, even if I strongly prefer one candidate over the other, my vote is only worth casting if it would be the single vote that breaks a perfect tie between the two candidates. I think that for all intents and purposes this probability can be considered negligible. As such, my expected pay off would be greater for staying at home than for dragging myself off to the polling station. So, the vote will perhaps undersample people who are predisposed to act pragmatically in such decisions, who may, in turn, lean towards one candidate predominantly over the other. So then, the election is going to be an even rougher approximation if the objective is to estimate the citizens&#039; will.

Besides, I think your list of election objectives unfairly excluded a point that I would personally wish were at its forefront: &quot;choosing the socially optimal candidate&quot; (that is, let&#039;s say, one who would implement the best policies), and, to be frank, I do not think that that objective is being met at all, except sometimes by chance.
Forgive me while I drift further off-topic, but, perhaps the real option that should be considered is a radical change in the system as a whole instead of a minor tweak. And, in breaking with the somewhat pervasive formality and thoughtfulness of this discussion thread, I move for a declaration of me as dictator. I promise I&#039;ll be benevolent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>robin, if we are indeed concerned with citizens&#8217; (as you stated in your latest comment) and not voters&#8217; preferences, I would argue that that opens yet another can of worms. For example, I would consider myself to be highly pragmatic, so, even if I lived in Minnesota (and if I were a US citizen), I would personally not vote at all. You see, even if I strongly prefer one candidate over the other, my vote is only worth casting if it would be the single vote that breaks a perfect tie between the two candidates. I think that for all intents and purposes this probability can be considered negligible. As such, my expected pay off would be greater for staying at home than for dragging myself off to the polling station. So, the vote will perhaps undersample people who are predisposed to act pragmatically in such decisions, who may, in turn, lean towards one candidate predominantly over the other. So then, the election is going to be an even rougher approximation if the objective is to estimate the citizens&#8217; will.</p>
<p>Besides, I think your list of election objectives unfairly excluded a point that I would personally wish were at its forefront: &#8220;choosing the socially optimal candidate&#8221; (that is, let&#8217;s say, one who would implement the best policies), and, to be frank, I do not think that that objective is being met at all, except sometimes by chance.<br />
Forgive me while I drift further off-topic, but, perhaps the real option that should be considered is a radical change in the system as a whole instead of a minor tweak. And, in breaking with the somewhat pervasive formality and thoughtfulness of this discussion thread, I move for a declaration of me as dictator. I promise I&#8217;ll be benevolent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for the typos in my previous posting...

Also, I did not mean to speak ill of statistical methods; I&#039;m a believer in statistics, too. I&#039;m also a mechanical engineer, though, and my comments were written from the perspective of improving the fidelity of the voting system. 

Statistics are good for analyzing the will of a population; but it should not require analysis to determine the will of an individual voter. The machines are not measuring devices, they are congnitively controlled discreet-input devices. The designers should therefore hold themselves to a very high standard of accuracy in the mechanical functioning of the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the typos in my previous posting&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, I did not mean to speak ill of statistical methods; I&#8217;m a believer in statistics, too. I&#8217;m also a mechanical engineer, though, and my comments were written from the perspective of improving the fidelity of the voting system. </p>
<p>Statistics are good for analyzing the will of a population; but it should not require analysis to determine the will of an individual voter. The machines are not measuring devices, they are congnitively controlled discreet-input devices. The designers should therefore hold themselves to a very high standard of accuracy in the mechanical functioning of the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a friend of Robin&#039;s from Caltech, so I can vouch that he&#039;s always talked this way :-)

I also took some of the same economics and math classes. There are lots of ways to use statistics to analyze the problem. There are also lots of alternate voting mechanisms which may be improvements over the current standards. Like alcatholic I like Instant Runoff voting but it introduces a new level of vote tracking (the reassignment of votes) that I understand haven&#039;t been well-implemented in the few locales that have tried it so far.

But back to the reality of deciding an election. The standard for winning isn&#039;t statistics. It&#039;s greatest number of votes. 1,250,001 wins over 1,250,000.

I know that&#039;s a daunting goal in a world of imperfect ballots and election machinery. Acknowledging those imperfections, it should be remembered that voting devices are not the same as scientific detectors (which are trying to detect the state of a system without disturbing it). These are input-and-recording devices which are (supposed) to log a single unambiguous response (write-ins add some complications). From a machine-design standpoint, it should be possible to apply high-standard methodologies like six sigma to get a very low vote-logging failure rate. Likewise the transfer of votes from the voting stations to the central counting location. 

(I&#039;d also like to put in a word for the importance of transparency of the vote counting software. Nothing in the process should be hidden.)

Naturally, reality won&#039;t approach the high-tolerance vote counting goal even if the machines are well designed because humans are imperfect. Some will have comprehension problems, and some have physical difficulties (imagine trying to vote with advanced Parkinson&#039;s). Allowances for assistance won&#039;t always be heeded.

It is possible that 21st century technology may eventually step in to help with human imperfection. If Stephen Hawking can communicate with a computer, the folks in the nursing home should be (eventually!) be able to get there votes into a voting machine. Making that level of interface reliable and affordable is one of the technical challenges for this century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a friend of Robin&#8217;s from Caltech, so I can vouch that he&#8217;s always talked this way :-)</p>
<p>I also took some of the same economics and math classes. There are lots of ways to use statistics to analyze the problem. There are also lots of alternate voting mechanisms which may be improvements over the current standards. Like alcatholic I like Instant Runoff voting but it introduces a new level of vote tracking (the reassignment of votes) that I understand haven&#8217;t been well-implemented in the few locales that have tried it so far.</p>
<p>But back to the reality of deciding an election. The standard for winning isn&#8217;t statistics. It&#8217;s greatest number of votes. 1,250,001 wins over 1,250,000.</p>
<p>I know that&#8217;s a daunting goal in a world of imperfect ballots and election machinery. Acknowledging those imperfections, it should be remembered that voting devices are not the same as scientific detectors (which are trying to detect the state of a system without disturbing it). These are input-and-recording devices which are (supposed) to log a single unambiguous response (write-ins add some complications). From a machine-design standpoint, it should be possible to apply high-standard methodologies like six sigma to get a very low vote-logging failure rate. Likewise the transfer of votes from the voting stations to the central counting location. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;d also like to put in a word for the importance of transparency of the vote counting software. Nothing in the process should be hidden.)</p>
<p>Naturally, reality won&#8217;t approach the high-tolerance vote counting goal even if the machines are well designed because humans are imperfect. Some will have comprehension problems, and some have physical difficulties (imagine trying to vote with advanced Parkinson&#8217;s). Allowances for assistance won&#8217;t always be heeded.</p>
<p>It is possible that 21st century technology may eventually step in to help with human imperfection. If Stephen Hawking can communicate with a computer, the folks in the nursing home should be (eventually!) be able to get there votes into a voting machine. Making that level of interface reliable and affordable is one of the technical challenges for this century.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/11/27/ties-damned-ties-and-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-2895</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When kids trying to decide what game to play next come up with a tie vote, they usually decide to take turns.  Perhaps for margins of victory that are less extreme than 52-48, the office could be divided in time between the two candidates.    Each candidate would get time proportional to his/her percentage in excess of 48.

For a vote where the candidates get roughly 1 million votes each, every 100 votes of margin translates to about a negligible three days out of a six year term.   It wouldn&#039;t be worth fighting for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When kids trying to decide what game to play next come up with a tie vote, they usually decide to take turns.  Perhaps for margins of victory that are less extreme than 52-48, the office could be divided in time between the two candidates.    Each candidate would get time proportional to his/her percentage in excess of 48.</p>
<p>For a vote where the candidates get roughly 1 million votes each, every 100 votes of margin translates to about a negligible three days out of a six year term.   It wouldn&#8217;t be worth fighting for.</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This gets back to what I said about the multiple meanings of elections, and the tension between voting as an accurate way of measuring citizen preference on the one hand, and as a fair and legitimate-appearing mechanism for choosing between alternatives on the other. All voting systems contain the potential for paradoxical outcomes and you just have to choose which ones you most want to avoid. In addition, citizen preference is itself a very complex, non-linear (maybe even non-transitive), multidimensional variable: for example, in  the difference between a utility-maximizing choice averaged over the population versus a minimax choice where one seeks to minimize the fraction of people for whom the outcome is so totally unacceptable that they would work to break the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This gets back to what I said about the multiple meanings of elections, and the tension between voting as an accurate way of measuring citizen preference on the one hand, and as a fair and legitimate-appearing mechanism for choosing between alternatives on the other. All voting systems contain the potential for paradoxical outcomes and you just have to choose which ones you most want to avoid. In addition, citizen preference is itself a very complex, non-linear (maybe even non-transitive), multidimensional variable: for example, in  the difference between a utility-maximizing choice averaged over the population versus a minimax choice where one seeks to minimize the fraction of people for whom the outcome is so totally unacceptable that they would work to break the system.</p>
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		<title>By: alcatholic</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/11/27/ties-damned-ties-and-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-2838</link>
		<dc:creator>alcatholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were it not for very low chance of socio-political acceptance, I would be very excited to see Instant Runoff voting implemented.   Even with only a 1st and 2nd choice scheme, I think it would greatly lower the likelihood of tied elections.  Politically the greater range of candidates I think would help break up 50/50 splits in public opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were it not for very low chance of socio-political acceptance, I would be very excited to see Instant Runoff voting implemented.   Even with only a 1st and 2nd choice scheme, I think it would greatly lower the likelihood of tied elections.  Politically the greater range of candidates I think would help break up 50/50 splits in public opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen, these are all useful thoughts.
You make me wonder, if there is probably a political science literature out there that has concerned itself with these close-election dynamics.  If there is, I&#039;m not familiar with it.

I continue to agree with you that legitmacy of the result in a close election is a paramount consideration.

Based on this discussion, I&#039;m leaning to this idea;
If the election is within the tie confidence interval, the outcome should be to elect the challenger candidate.  If, after a full term of office, you can&#039;t get better than a tie vote, change should be the favored outcome.

Not sure whether or not I would want this to apply at the presidential level, where the stakes domestically and internationally are at the maximum.

(The old rule for classic-chess world championships was that ties went to the incumbent.  That had the unfortunate consequence that incumbents tended to play very conservatively, hoping to force challengers to play very risky approaches with a higher risk of losing games.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen, these are all useful thoughts.<br />
You make me wonder, if there is probably a political science literature out there that has concerned itself with these close-election dynamics.  If there is, I&#8217;m not familiar with it.</p>
<p>I continue to agree with you that legitmacy of the result in a close election is a paramount consideration.</p>
<p>Based on this discussion, I&#8217;m leaning to this idea;<br />
If the election is within the tie confidence interval, the outcome should be to elect the challenger candidate.  If, after a full term of office, you can&#8217;t get better than a tie vote, change should be the favored outcome.</p>
<p>Not sure whether or not I would want this to apply at the presidential level, where the stakes domestically and internationally are at the maximum.</p>
<p>(The old rule for classic-chess world championships was that ties went to the incumbent.  That had the unfortunate consequence that incumbents tended to play very conservatively, hoping to force challengers to play very risky approaches with a higher risk of losing games.)</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Tomkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen Tomkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt McIrwin,

The intent of either the coin flip, or my suggestion of a revote, is not to prevent or obviate recounts, or even the legal contest of close votes.  These would still be carried out to their end (thought perhaps not the bitter end of an endless legal contest) in order to arrive at the vote difference that would count in determining if a revote, or coin flip, is necessary.

The intent of the revote for elections so close that the vote difference is smaller than the counting and tallying variance, is to prevent elections being decided essentially ex post facto, on the basis of counting or n0t counting  unforeseen classes of vote so small that no pre-existing rules unambiguously cover them.  You have to finish an election under the same rules you started it with for it to carry legitimacy.  But if you get out your electron microscope, you can find tiny packets of votes that you can&#039;t honestly categorize as valid or invalid under the rules you started with.  In races where such tiny packets of votes matter, whether the court ends up counting such packets or rejecting them, either way, it has advanced the case law on the subject by making up new law to cover such unforeseen cases.  So I say, let the courts have at that process of creating new law.  But let&#039;s not let this election be decided by the courts on the basis of new law.  If the result is so close that you need that microscope to discern the winner, if the winner needs some new judgment on vote validity to squeek past his opponent, then you just do the election over again until you have a difference large enough that it does not rest on unforeseen classes of disputed votes.

I see in your objection raising the infinite regress, that would apply to coin tosses as well as revotes for close results, that you have studied Zeno the Eleatic and his paradoxes.   Whatever assessment of the reality status of apparent change the Zenonic paradoxes might be thought to force us to, I think that, for revotes or coin flips, a simple legislative fiat would suffice to decide results contested as close to the revote (or coin flip) confidence limit.  The law would say they go to revote unless the courts are through with the contest by a certain date after the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt McIrwin,</p>
<p>The intent of either the coin flip, or my suggestion of a revote, is not to prevent or obviate recounts, or even the legal contest of close votes.  These would still be carried out to their end (thought perhaps not the bitter end of an endless legal contest) in order to arrive at the vote difference that would count in determining if a revote, or coin flip, is necessary.</p>
<p>The intent of the revote for elections so close that the vote difference is smaller than the counting and tallying variance, is to prevent elections being decided essentially ex post facto, on the basis of counting or n0t counting  unforeseen classes of vote so small that no pre-existing rules unambiguously cover them.  You have to finish an election under the same rules you started it with for it to carry legitimacy.  But if you get out your electron microscope, you can find tiny packets of votes that you can&#8217;t honestly categorize as valid or invalid under the rules you started with.  In races where such tiny packets of votes matter, whether the court ends up counting such packets or rejecting them, either way, it has advanced the case law on the subject by making up new law to cover such unforeseen cases.  So I say, let the courts have at that process of creating new law.  But let&#8217;s not let this election be decided by the courts on the basis of new law.  If the result is so close that you need that microscope to discern the winner, if the winner needs some new judgment on vote validity to squeek past his opponent, then you just do the election over again until you have a difference large enough that it does not rest on unforeseen classes of disputed votes.</p>
<p>I see in your objection raising the infinite regress, that would apply to coin tosses as well as revotes for close results, that you have studied Zeno the Eleatic and his paradoxes.   Whatever assessment of the reality status of apparent change the Zenonic paradoxes might be thought to force us to, I think that, for revotes or coin flips, a simple legislative fiat would suffice to decide results contested as close to the revote (or coin flip) confidence limit.  The law would say they go to revote unless the courts are through with the contest by a certain date after the election.</p>
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