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		<title>By: F Lo</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/11/03/inefficiencies-in-intrade/comment-page-1/#comment-1947</link>
		<dc:creator>F Lo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to arbitrage the Gore contract would mean posting collateral of $100 in the hopes of winning 0.03 cents.  Let&#039;s say you do it today, so you are playing for a daily return of 0.0003% or an 0.11% annual rate.  You are probably better off leaving that money in your savings account.

(this assumes no transaction costs too)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to arbitrage the Gore contract would mean posting collateral of $100 in the hopes of winning 0.03 cents.  Let&#8217;s say you do it today, so you are playing for a daily return of 0.0003% or an 0.11% annual rate.  You are probably better off leaving that money in your savings account.</p>
<p>(this assumes no transaction costs too)</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Eccles</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/11/03/inefficiencies-in-intrade/comment-page-1/#comment-1896</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Eccles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is of course the possibility that bettors are pricing these extreme events more accurately. Beware of financial models projecting events as &#039;extremely unlikely&#039; (like the current financial crisis).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is of course the possibility that bettors are pricing these extreme events more accurately. Beware of financial models projecting events as &#8216;extremely unlikely&#8217; (like the current financial crisis).</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/11/03/inefficiencies-in-intrade/comment-page-1/#comment-1877</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree (of course) that the average citizen overestimate the probability of highly unlikely events (as has been shown with death data), but it looks like you&#039;re saying that a McCain win is a highly unlikely event based solely on the data from these new combined-polling models, and doing this in a year in which the currently-winning presidential candidate is Black.

It seems to me that the average citizen overestimates the probability of the less-likely event for this election (http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/poll-asks-for-presidential-predictions-rather-than-preference-444/), but the combined-polling sites are overestimating (massively in some cases) that same probability. I think the distribution for this election is unknowable/unmodelable, but that 5-10% McCain from the markets on the last day is the guess that I would take. 

I don&#039;t know for sure if this is the same thing, but don&#039;t folks in the financial world get into trouble (&#039;blow up&#039;) for relying too much on statistical models?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree (of course) that the average citizen overestimate the probability of highly unlikely events (as has been shown with death data), but it looks like you&#8217;re saying that a McCain win is a highly unlikely event based solely on the data from these new combined-polling models, and doing this in a year in which the currently-winning presidential candidate is Black.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the average citizen overestimates the probability of the less-likely event for this election (<a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/poll-asks-for-presidential-predictions-rather-than-preference-444/)" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/poll-asks-for-presidential-predictions-rather-than-preference-444/)</a>, but the combined-polling sites are overestimating (massively in some cases) that same probability. I think the distribution for this election is unknowable/unmodelable, but that 5-10% McCain from the markets on the last day is the guess that I would take. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know for sure if this is the same thing, but don&#8217;t folks in the financial world get into trouble (&#8217;blow up&#8217;) for relying too much on statistical models?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc in Asia</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/11/03/inefficiencies-in-intrade/comment-page-1/#comment-1870</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc in Asia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Betting markets such as Intrade don&#039;t do well for extreme probabilities (&gt;90%, &lt;10%) for a few reasons.  One is the bias in assessing low probability events.  A bigger one may be that participants loose interest:

Some participants are mostly in it for fun or gambling.  There is little fun or glory in making a small profit on an almost sure thing.  Thus players will prefer to play a more exciting contract.  Berb above is a great example of this.

Other participants are in it for a serious profit.  In liquid financial markets, they can take advantage of even small discrepancies to profit.  However on Intrade, where there are substantial trading fees and no interest is paid on deposits, there is little profit to be had on correcting a market mispricing of only a few percent.  This is why, for example, the Al Gore contract is still trading at 0.3 cents -- no one cares enough to correct it.

The best thing is to think of Intrade as accurate to within 5%.  Once the likely probability goes above 85-90% or below 10-15%, Intrade is no longer a useful indicator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betting markets such as Intrade don&#8217;t do well for extreme probabilities (&gt;90%, &lt;10%) for a few reasons.  One is the bias in assessing low probability events.  A bigger one may be that participants loose interest:</p>
<p>Some participants are mostly in it for fun or gambling.  There is little fun or glory in making a small profit on an almost sure thing.  Thus players will prefer to play a more exciting contract.  Berb above is a great example of this.</p>
<p>Other participants are in it for a serious profit.  In liquid financial markets, they can take advantage of even small discrepancies to profit.  However on Intrade, where there are substantial trading fees and no interest is paid on deposits, there is little profit to be had on correcting a market mispricing of only a few percent.  This is why, for example, the Al Gore contract is still trading at 0.3 cents &#8212; no one cares enough to correct it.</p>
<p>The best thing is to think of Intrade as accurate to within 5%.  Once the likely probability goes above 85-90% or below 10-15%, Intrade is no longer a useful indicator.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas J. Alcock</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/11/03/inefficiencies-in-intrade/comment-page-1/#comment-1860</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas J. Alcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sam.
                    All buyers need information. They buy their information from 1)polls 2)reports
3)inside knowledge 4)intuition. 

Now, not all buyers are as wise as each other. 
My guess(hunch) is that electronic markets are less accurate than 538, PEC, VEC et al.
I think if you check the data I would be right.?
Of course, the market makers  would say they are better judges but ask Lehman Bros about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sam.<br />
                    All buyers need information. They buy their information from 1)polls 2)reports<br />
3)inside knowledge 4)intuition. </p>
<p>Now, not all buyers are as wise as each other.<br />
My guess(hunch) is that electronic markets are less accurate than 538, PEC, VEC et al.<br />
I think if you check the data I would be right.?<br />
Of course, the market makers  would say they are better judges but ask Lehman Bros about that?</p>
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		<title>By: berb</title>
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		<dc:creator>berb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an Intrade user myself and just the other day I sold off a bunch of shares in Obama @ 85 each (even though I am certain they&#039;ll be worth 100 after tomorrow) simply so I could invest more into &quot;08.HOUSE.DEM.251-260&quot; because I bought in at 25 per share and that was just too good to pass up.

If only I had some magical way of sending them a check overnight to add funding to my account, then I could have kept the Obama and still invested some into other stuff... oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an Intrade user myself and just the other day I sold off a bunch of shares in Obama @ 85 each (even though I am certain they&#8217;ll be worth 100 after tomorrow) simply so I could invest more into &#8220;08.HOUSE.DEM.251-260&#8243; because I bought in at 25 per share and that was just too good to pass up.</p>
<p>If only I had some magical way of sending them a check overnight to add funding to my account, then I could have kept the Obama and still invested some into other stuff&#8230; oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: BCC</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/11/03/inefficiencies-in-intrade/comment-page-1/#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator>BCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d buy Georgia, myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d buy Georgia, myself.</p>
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