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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/15/campaign-innumeracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1138</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your snapshot &quot;Democrats’ median expectation is a gain of 7 Senate seats based on polls alone&quot; matches 538&#039;s median prediction, despite big differences in the two distributions, if I&#039;m following this.

I guess there could also be a split-the-ticket effect, though McCain (perhaps generously) hasn&#039;t made that case. In any event, this is easy enough to model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your snapshot &#8220;Democrats’ median expectation is a gain of 7 Senate seats based on polls alone&#8221; matches 538&#8217;s median prediction, despite big differences in the two distributions, if I&#8217;m following this.</p>
<p>I guess there could also be a split-the-ticket effect, though McCain (perhaps generously) hasn&#8217;t made that case. In any event, this is easy enough to model.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/15/campaign-innumeracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1136</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today may have marked a slightly unheralded milestone.

I think this is the first time your projected electoral vote (364 vs. 174) has given Obama a better than 2:1 ratio (359 vs. 179). I’ve seen 350 used as the “landslide” threshold, but a 2:1 ratio would seem to be a cleaner definition for a landslide…</description>
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<p>I think this is the first time your projected electoral vote (364 vs. 174) has given Obama a better than 2:1 ratio (359 vs. 179). I’ve seen 350 used as the “landslide” threshold, but a 2:1 ratio would seem to be a cleaner definition for a landslide…</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Wang</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/15/campaign-innumeracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1135</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you might expect, I&#039;m just offering a snapshot of current polls. Silver is making a projection to Election Day. It&#039;s probably the same reason that he shows some Presidential outcomes in which Obama gets 420 EV: there&#039;s a chance of movement up.

There is also this &quot;coattail&quot; effect you claim, but Democrats&#039; median expectation is a gain of 7 Senate seats based on polls alone. I haven&#039;t looked into whether there is good evidence for a Presidential campaign drawing a result away from empirical polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you might expect, I&#8217;m just offering a snapshot of current polls. Silver is making a projection to Election Day. It&#8217;s probably the same reason that he shows some Presidential outcomes in which Obama gets 420 EV: there&#8217;s a chance of movement up.</p>
<p>There is also this &#8220;coattail&#8221; effect you claim, but Democrats&#8217; median expectation is a gain of 7 Senate seats based on polls alone. I haven&#8217;t looked into whether there is good evidence for a Presidential campaign drawing a result away from empirical polls.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/15/campaign-innumeracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1124</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does your distribution of Senate Democrats differ so markedly from 538&#039;s (e.g. 25% v 9% at 58 seats)?

In predicting the Senate, one question is whether the coattail effect is fully captured by the Senate polls or whether the Senate poll result should be adjusted in the direction of the Presidential poll result of that state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does your distribution of Senate Democrats differ so markedly from 538&#8217;s (e.g. 25% v 9% at 58 seats)?</p>
<p>In predicting the Senate, one question is whether the coattail effect is fully captured by the Senate polls or whether the Senate poll result should be adjusted in the direction of the Presidential poll result of that state.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/15/campaign-innumeracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1123</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today&#039;s 10-poing MEV jump is unlikely to represent a sudden shift in the race; it&#039;s a good demonstration of the hazard of tracking EV over time. Almost a sort of oddly-shaped quantization noise....

MEV is probably most useful as a predictive metric; it is certainly the right thing to look at the day before the election. However, as Sam wisely pointed out at the start, this is a descriptive analysis, not a predictive one. This discussion convinces me that MM is the right metric for tracking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s 10-poing MEV jump is unlikely to represent a sudden shift in the race; it&#8217;s a good demonstration of the hazard of tracking EV over time. Almost a sort of oddly-shaped quantization noise&#8230;.</p>
<p>MEV is probably most useful as a predictive metric; it is certainly the right thing to look at the day before the election. However, as Sam wisely pointed out at the start, this is a descriptive analysis, not a predictive one. This discussion convinces me that MM is the right metric for tracking.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/15/campaign-innumeracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1122</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens if you add 2% either way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens if you add 2% either way?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Wang</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/15/campaign-innumeracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1119</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, it depends on what the question is. If the EV total, then I&#039;ll go with the median. If it&#039;s an exacta bet, then the mode. There&#039;s a good chance that they will be identical. A major question is whether to assume any bias factor other than zero.

I am currently developing an interest in Senate and House predictions. As of today it&#039;s 3:1 in favor of a 58-42 split in the Senate, with most of the remaining probability in 57-43. For now, a 60-40 split is about 90000:1 against. I have not yet tackled the large task of sifting through House race data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, it depends on what the question is. If the EV total, then I&#8217;ll go with the median. If it&#8217;s an exacta bet, then the mode. There&#8217;s a good chance that they will be identical. A major question is whether to assume any bias factor other than zero.</p>
<p>I am currently developing an interest in Senate and House predictions. As of today it&#8217;s 3:1 in favor of a 58-42 split in the Senate, with most of the remaining probability in 57-43. For now, a 60-40 split is about 90000:1 against. I have not yet tackled the large task of sifting through House race data.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/15/campaign-innumeracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1118</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just surpassed 538&#039;s EV estimate, maybe for the first time!

If your EV distribution on election eve were similar to the one at noon today, what would your prediction be? The lower median with low prob, or the higher mode with much higher prob?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just surpassed 538&#8217;s EV estimate, maybe for the first time!</p>
<p>If your EV distribution on election eve were similar to the one at noon today, what would your prediction be? The lower median with low prob, or the higher mode with much higher prob?</p>
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		<title>By: IYH</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/15/campaign-innumeracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1117</link>
		<dc:creator>IYH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez.  364?  I know we&#039;re approaching Obama&#039;s upper bound, but, at this rate, you might need to rescale the y-axis on the median EV estimator plot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez.  364?  I know we&#8217;re approaching Obama&#8217;s upper bound, but, at this rate, you might need to rescale the y-axis on the median EV estimator plot.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Wang</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/15/campaign-innumeracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1116</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A winning Presidential campaign might run up the score to (1) claim a mandate, (2) demoralize the opposition, and (3) bring in downticket races to ensure achieving policy goals.

(1) and (2) are especially helpful considering the challenges of the coming few years. (3) is hard in the Senate because Obama/Biden trail the Democratic candidate in close races in Georgia, Mississippi, and Kentucky. I&#039;ll guess that the closing moves will involve winning marginal House races in blue states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A winning Presidential campaign might run up the score to (1) claim a mandate, (2) demoralize the opposition, and (3) bring in downticket races to ensure achieving policy goals.</p>
<p>(1) and (2) are especially helpful considering the challenges of the coming few years. (3) is hard in the Senate because Obama/Biden trail the Democratic candidate in close races in Georgia, Mississippi, and Kentucky. I&#8217;ll guess that the closing moves will involve winning marginal House races in blue states.</p>
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