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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/09/27/the-disappearing-bradley-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-963</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think several of the other comments reflect an understanding of the Bradley Effect; this is not a theory of peer-pressure amongst black people, who feel they must show racial unity publicly but then vote for the white candidate.

The theory of the Bradley Effect is that racist whites hesitate to tell a pollster that they won&#039;t vote for a black candidate.  This is empirically supported by the fact that the Bradley effect is much stronger in areas that have a larger white demographic.  The Bradley effect is minimal to non-existent in majority-minority districts.

It&#039;s role historically is generally accepted, perhaps wrongly, however its applicability today, and especially to Obama specifically, is certainly in question.  I feel it probably doesn&#039;t apply to Obama for many of the same reasons cited in this article.

I would also caution Maria with the same advice as Larry: hearsay certainly doesn&#039;t constitute poll data.  It might be especially true in your case because as a mental health worker people probably like you and generally seek your approval, and will be more inclined to say agreeable things (or even be legitimately persuaded to change their votes) if they detect that this will be received well.  But even if these people are voting McCain, the sample and method don&#039;t constitute scientifically controlled polling data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think several of the other comments reflect an understanding of the Bradley Effect; this is not a theory of peer-pressure amongst black people, who feel they must show racial unity publicly but then vote for the white candidate.</p>
<p>The theory of the Bradley Effect is that racist whites hesitate to tell a pollster that they won&#8217;t vote for a black candidate.  This is empirically supported by the fact that the Bradley effect is much stronger in areas that have a larger white demographic.  The Bradley effect is minimal to non-existent in majority-minority districts.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s role historically is generally accepted, perhaps wrongly, however its applicability today, and especially to Obama specifically, is certainly in question.  I feel it probably doesn&#8217;t apply to Obama for many of the same reasons cited in this article.</p>
<p>I would also caution Maria with the same advice as Larry: hearsay certainly doesn&#8217;t constitute poll data.  It might be especially true in your case because as a mental health worker people probably like you and generally seek your approval, and will be more inclined to say agreeable things (or even be legitimately persuaded to change their votes) if they detect that this will be received well.  But even if these people are voting McCain, the sample and method don&#8217;t constitute scientifically controlled polling data.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Haskell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Haskell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 01:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Mark, above.  I&#039;d like to hear statistics about the opposite effect - white people saying they won&#039;t vote for a black candidate who end up doing so.
 
Maybe, just maybe, some people who&#039;ve said they won&#039;t vote for Obama because we just &quot;aren&#039;t ready&quot; for a black president - or whatever other self-deceptive reason they dredge up to justify their unwillingness to vote for him - just might, once they&#039;re alone, vote for Obama, as the only sane choice, overcoming their racism in the private moment of choice.

The &quot;reverse Tom Bradley effect&quot;... Given the drastic consequences and importance of this year&#039;s choice, it just might go that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Mark, above.  I&#8217;d like to hear statistics about the opposite effect &#8211; white people saying they won&#8217;t vote for a black candidate who end up doing so.</p>
<p>Maybe, just maybe, some people who&#8217;ve said they won&#8217;t vote for Obama because we just &#8220;aren&#8217;t ready&#8221; for a black president &#8211; or whatever other self-deceptive reason they dredge up to justify their unwillingness to vote for him &#8211; just might, once they&#8217;re alone, vote for Obama, as the only sane choice, overcoming their racism in the private moment of choice.</p>
<p>The &#8220;reverse Tom Bradley effect&#8221;&#8230; Given the drastic consequences and importance of this year&#8217;s choice, it just might go that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Methinks maria&#039;s comments require investigation: i.e., is she somehow influencing her patients&#039; whispered declarations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methinks maria&#8217;s comments require investigation: i.e., is she somehow influencing her patients&#8217; whispered declarations?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/09/27/the-disappearing-bradley-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-787</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Wang, since you&#039;ve read the paper (I&#039;m assuming), I wonder if you could comment on something.  These data on their face seem to imply that in the early 90s, some racist people felt social reluctance to admit to a pollster that they weren&#039;t going to vote for a black candidate, then got into the polling booth and wouldn&#039;t go near the candidate -- but that in recent years this &quot;shyness&quot; with the pollster has presumably disappeared.   But the finding raises questions:

1.  In the past few years, automated polls that don&#039;t involve a human interviewer have come into wider use.  Were these polls excluded from the study, to keep things &quot;apples and apples&quot;?   If not, it simply could be that polls like the Rasmussen are making it look like people are no longer reticent to be honest with pollsters, when in fact it&#039;s because they&#039;re dealing with a machine and can tell the poll what they really think.

2.  Did he control for rate of inclusion of African American respondents in the later polls vs the early ones?  It seems like such a &quot;reverse Bradley effect&quot; (simulating a higher A-A turnout) could simply mask a reticence to be honest that is still there on the part of white voters.

3.  Fifteen years seems like an awfully short time in which for a social tendency like this to disappear.  Assuming #1 and #2 above do not explain the finding, did he look at any available measures of societal racial attitudes over time as a covariate?  I&#039;d be curious to know whether he thinks that (a) people have gotten less racist or (b) people have gotten bolder/less embarrassed to admit it out loud (maybe because of talk radio validating their viewpoint).  Conventional wisdom would say that it&#039;s (a) but it&#039;d be interesting to see what the hard data say.

4.  Was there any trend over time for the races being more or less northern vs southern?  I ask because some of the discussion of primary polling this year seems to show a regional bias in terms of possible &quot;Bradley effect&quot;.

Thanks for the post and for your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Wang, since you&#8217;ve read the paper (I&#8217;m assuming), I wonder if you could comment on something.  These data on their face seem to imply that in the early 90s, some racist people felt social reluctance to admit to a pollster that they weren&#8217;t going to vote for a black candidate, then got into the polling booth and wouldn&#8217;t go near the candidate &#8212; but that in recent years this &#8220;shyness&#8221; with the pollster has presumably disappeared.   But the finding raises questions:</p>
<p>1.  In the past few years, automated polls that don&#8217;t involve a human interviewer have come into wider use.  Were these polls excluded from the study, to keep things &#8220;apples and apples&#8221;?   If not, it simply could be that polls like the Rasmussen are making it look like people are no longer reticent to be honest with pollsters, when in fact it&#8217;s because they&#8217;re dealing with a machine and can tell the poll what they really think.</p>
<p>2.  Did he control for rate of inclusion of African American respondents in the later polls vs the early ones?  It seems like such a &#8220;reverse Bradley effect&#8221; (simulating a higher A-A turnout) could simply mask a reticence to be honest that is still there on the part of white voters.</p>
<p>3.  Fifteen years seems like an awfully short time in which for a social tendency like this to disappear.  Assuming #1 and #2 above do not explain the finding, did he look at any available measures of societal racial attitudes over time as a covariate?  I&#8217;d be curious to know whether he thinks that (a) people have gotten less racist or (b) people have gotten bolder/less embarrassed to admit it out loud (maybe because of talk radio validating their viewpoint).  Conventional wisdom would say that it&#8217;s (a) but it&#8217;d be interesting to see what the hard data say.</p>
<p>4.  Was there any trend over time for the races being more or less northern vs southern?  I ask because some of the discussion of primary polling this year seems to show a regional bias in terms of possible &#8220;Bradley effect&#8221;.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post and for your site.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is interesting yet not conclusive.  The premise of this analysis is that the Bradley effect would be equally prevalent in each part of the country.  I understand that that there are not likely enough data points to look at this at a finer grain.  Yet I would like to see this broken down by region and also the frequency of African American candidates.  It&#039;s possible that the first black candidate suffers from the Bradley effect while subsequent candidates benefit from the trail blazer.  

In the case of Obama such a (unproven) theory would suggest polling is accurate in IL, NY, and CA be less so in other states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is interesting yet not conclusive.  The premise of this analysis is that the Bradley effect would be equally prevalent in each part of the country.  I understand that that there are not likely enough data points to look at this at a finer grain.  Yet I would like to see this broken down by region and also the frequency of African American candidates.  It&#8217;s possible that the first black candidate suffers from the Bradley effect while subsequent candidates benefit from the trail blazer.  </p>
<p>In the case of Obama such a (unproven) theory would suggest polling is accurate in IL, NY, and CA be less so in other states.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Z.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Z.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m generally not one to worry a lot about grand conspiracies, but I must confess that my first thought after Palin joined the Republican ticket was that it could embolden cheaters to attempt to steal the election.  If the outcome is significantly different from the polls they can now point to both race and gender to “explain” it.  Depending on where it occurred that might be enough to limit investigations and quell major protests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m generally not one to worry a lot about grand conspiracies, but I must confess that my first thought after Palin joined the Republican ticket was that it could embolden cheaters to attempt to steal the election.  If the outcome is significantly different from the polls they can now point to both race and gender to “explain” it.  Depending on where it occurred that might be enough to limit investigations and quell major protests.</p>
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		<title>By: maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The polls show that African-Americans, especially women, overwhelming support Obama.  In fact, I saw one indicating 99% of African Americans would vote for Obama. As a mental health provider, patients disclose information to me that they would not publicly. Surprisingly, I have already come across a number of African Americans telling me, in a whisper in my office, that they would not vote for Obama. The fact that these patients whispered this disclosure even when my office was obviously private, might suggest peer pressure on African-Americans to say the right thing in public, i.e., vote for Obama, or suffer some social consequence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The polls show that African-Americans, especially women, overwhelming support Obama.  In fact, I saw one indicating 99% of African Americans would vote for Obama. As a mental health provider, patients disclose information to me that they would not publicly. Surprisingly, I have already come across a number of African Americans telling me, in a whisper in my office, that they would not vote for Obama. The fact that these patients whispered this disclosure even when my office was obviously private, might suggest peer pressure on African-Americans to say the right thing in public, i.e., vote for Obama, or suffer some social consequence.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Wang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mark, what a voter does after answering a survey is not guaranteed. If there are such people, they are not more numerous on average than the converse group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mark, what a voter does after answering a survey is not guaranteed. If there are such people, they are not more numerous on average than the converse group.</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
		<link>http://election.princeton.edu/2008/09/27/the-disappearing-bradley-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-623</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this important report.  I&#039;ve suspected - hoped  for - this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this important report.  I&#8217;ve suspected &#8211; hoped  for &#8211; this.</p>
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		<title>By: Majorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Majorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent and informative posting. It seems the pundits like to discuss the Bradley/Wilder effect to try to drive up racial controversy.  I posted about the cell-only voters here: http://majorman.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/cellphone-users-support-obama/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent and informative posting. It seems the pundits like to discuss the Bradley/Wilder effect to try to drive up racial controversy.  I posted about the cell-only voters here: <a href="http://majorman.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/cellphone-users-support-obama/" rel="nofollow">http://majorman.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/cellphone-users-support-obama/</a></p>
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